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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 13:51:57 GMT
There is just no danger of it coming off. Have you read a flick of the tail yet ;D
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Post by ddapscarper on Jan 3, 2009 15:53:09 GMT
 ? and spencer put a picture up of the leadcore thing 
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Post by ddapscarper on Jan 3, 2009 18:18:16 GMT
how many rig rings do u have 2 use ?
is there only 1 that u put ur bait band on ?
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Post by stone on Jan 3, 2009 18:20:46 GMT
i still dont understand why the band is better than tying the bait on
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Post by flighty on Jan 3, 2009 18:39:36 GMT
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 19:23:06 GMT
The bait band is safer
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 19:24:52 GMT
1 ring stops the loop slipping through the eye of the hook, on is for your bait. Personally only ever use one and check my hooks properly |
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Post by stone on Jan 3, 2009 19:28:53 GMT
i tie my baits on with mono, melt the tail ends with a lighter, never had a prob, but i will try the bait bands. are you piercing the baits spencer and pulling the band through the bait? |
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 19:34:15 GMT
Yes mate. What I find is perfect is when the 6.5m band is just to big on a 15mm bait, stands off the rig ring just a tad more. Ive just always used bait bands not floss, even with Chods.
In Dave Lanes book he misses out on the Black Mirror as he casts a tied on pop up which unbeknown to him had come off on hitting the water. Terry Hearn had seen it come off and didnt tell him, then caught the fish himself! d**n fine angling ;D
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 19:36:15 GMT
Incidently used the rig the second half the year with two bottom bait barrell hookbaits. Without the shot it gave funny positioning in the mouth, leave the shot on and wang, 2 inches back The 5 in a night at Manor was first time I switched it to twin bottoms  |
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Post by spencer on Jan 14, 2009 21:10:11 GMT
Very handy tip on the aquaborne site which Ive just tried on my band version is a cut down Helicopter bead to protect the rig ring.... Practise will show if it will slip onto the ring and hinder movement.....
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Post by spencer on Jan 16, 2009 22:04:03 GMT
? and spencer put a picture up of the leadcore thing Just tie youself some doubled up braid mate, thick as poss. Double up some braid, tie an overhand knot and the trim off the ends, tie the loop to the rig ring much like you would a loop to loop leader |
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Post by stone on Jan 16, 2009 22:23:08 GMT
? and spencer put a picture up of the leadcore thing Just tie youself some doubled up braid mate, thick as poss. Double up some braid, tie an overhand knot and the trim off the ends, tie the loop to the rig ring much like you would a loop to loop leader picture...?? |
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Post by spencer on Jan 16, 2009 22:23:54 GMT
Next week. I need to tie 3 up ;D
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Post by herriot on Jan 29, 2009 22:01:48 GMT
Been using this for me pop-ups in silt. Where are you all putting your shot/putty i.e where do you think is best?
1) on the knot below the eye ABOVE the small stripped section
2) Immediately BELOW the stripped section
3) On the tag end of the knot below the eye ABOVE the stripped section
I've been sticking putty on the knot itself so its like a longshank curved hook with the weight on the 'eye' and the four fish I've landed on it were all nailed up to an inch back in the bottom of the mouth.
Any thoughts gents?.....
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Post by spencer on Jan 30, 2009 20:57:01 GMT
Been using this for me pop-ups in silt. Where are you all putting your shot/putty i.e where do you think is best? 1) on the knot below the eye ABOVE the small stripped section 2) Immediately BELOW the stripped section 3) On the tag end of the knot below the eye ABOVE the stripped section I've been sticking putty on the knot itself so its like a longshank curved hook with the weight on the 'eye' and the four fish I've landed on it were all nailed up to an inch back in the bottom of the mouth. Any thoughts gents?..... Ive tried various and the best Ive found is in the middle of the stripped section. Cant get my head around leaving it on the tag........ |
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Post by jeffe on Apr 30, 2009 20:44:52 GMT
I had a play with this last night and as with all these things it's interesting seeing everybody's spin on the same rig so Joss, Spencer and Lee some questions for you. 1. Are you stripping the coated braid all the way back to the swivel or just a bit behind the tag knot? 2. How long is the rig when tied completely? 3. Are you tying the coated braid to the swivel or are you creating another loop? 4. On the Carpersblog link it looks as though Jon Mac just uses Sufix Camfusion straight through with no break in the link. Any comments? 5. Lee uses a coated braid and amnesia so in effect this turns whole rig into another version of the stiff hinged rig. Any comments about that? Spencer, you could save me a good 30 mins if you can remember what Carpworld number Kavanagh's multi-rig article is in. Also, looking at the Carpersblog link unless you use a crap hook with the eye not closed properly I can't for the life of me see the point of a second ring on the hook.  I would add though that in spite of Spencers confidence I would put a PVA chunk in the D part of the rig before I cast out. In theory the resistance of the pop up on the cast and retrieve should keep the D bit in place but only using the rig will would be the proof of that I suppose. |
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Post by spencer on Apr 30, 2009 21:34:22 GMT
Jeffe
1. Are you stripping the coated braid all the way back to the swivel or just a bit behind the tag knot?
Half inch behind knot, enough for some movement each side of shot. Strip right back if using in a solid pva bag
2. How long is the rig when tied completely?
Depends on baiting situation and bottom as per normal mate
3. Are you tying the coated braid to the swivel or are you creating another loop?
Straight to the swivel stripping a small amount for some movement
4. On the Carpersblog link it looks as though Jon Mac just uses Sufix Camfusion straight through with no break in the link. Any comments?
He breaks the link
5. Lee uses a coated braid and amnesia so in effect this turns whole rig into another version of the stiff hinged rig. Any comments about that?
It is really. Just easy and means you can change your hook very easily
Spencer, you could save me a good 30 mins if you can remember what Carpworld number Kavanagh's multi-rig article is in.
Sorry mate notaf**kinclue
Also, looking at the Carpersblog link unless you use a crap hook with the eye not closed properly I can't for the life of me see the point of a second ring on the hook.
Agreed, never used one. Stiff riggers ll day long
I would add though that in spite of Spencers confidence I would put a PVA chunk in the D part of the rig before I cast out. In theory the resistance of the pop up on the cast and retrieve should keep the D bit in place but only using the rig will would be the proof of that I suppose.
Depends on braid and size of hook. 15lb Mantis on size 5 riggers slips. 15lb PB products Jellywire on a size 5 is pukka!
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Post by jeffe on May 1, 2009 9:30:42 GMT
Thanks Spence, nice one. ;D
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Post by jeffe on May 27, 2009 15:12:34 GMT
Spence, I've had another good look at this and I've found that the bait band slightly affects the mobility of the rig ring on the braid. I'm using Korda Small so maybe I need to step up to Medium. How about you?
I've also got somebody telling me a Mugga / Korda Kurv type pattern is better than a stiff rigger / Choddy type pattern. Have you tried a Mugga or similar?
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Post by spencer on May 27, 2009 17:12:53 GMT
Jeffe to be honest I just cant get my head around the mugga shape hook with the rig, but havent tried it. Bait band is easy, a slightly oversize one, 6.5mm tackle box ones are ideal Fishing a tough venue this year, ten a season is a result, Ive had 3 in four nights on the rig all fine and dandy Ill probably blank the rest of the year now!! Will be casting two multi rigs out by 830 tonight ;D |
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Post by jeffe on May 28, 2009 7:03:24 GMT
Good luck mate. ;D
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Post by ddapscarper on May 28, 2009 13:07:55 GMT
any size spencer ?
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