spud
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Post by spud on Oct 26, 2008 9:12:04 GMT
Mentioned in the shot on the hook thread is the multi rig, Can someone explain this one as I haven't heard of it, Thanks
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Post by spencer on Oct 26, 2008 10:26:12 GMT
Its the invention of Micky Kavanaugh (who invented the stiff rig), basically its a combi link using coated braid but with two differences, the hook section/Kicker is doubled up braid via an overhand knot which gives two advantages, one is a super thick and stiff kicker and secondly the hook can be changed without changing your rig. I use it in various guises, what I love about it is that when you arrive at the venue or land a fish changing your hook takes seconds. Ive had the same rigs on for Months Ill stick a couple of pics up although Mike and Johnny Mac do a better job!
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Post by spencer on Oct 26, 2008 10:44:00 GMT
I always use bait bands rather than floss etc as piercing T1 pop ups makes no odds they float forever, Ive had great success recently using two bouyant baits on it too
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Post by stone on Oct 26, 2008 14:04:28 GMT
ive been using this for a fair few yrs now...although changed my hook to a long shank Nailler
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Post by spencer on Oct 26, 2008 16:47:17 GMT
To my mind an out turned eye is a much more efficient hooker with this set up, certainly on the palm test for what its worth. Joss Id be interested to see if you compare hookholds if yours is better with the putty/shot on the break in braid coating or on the knot? Again I have found the rig more efficient with it in the middle of the break/supple braid.....
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Post by spencer on Oct 26, 2008 16:49:14 GMT
And another thing.... I prefer to use the bigger bait bands as shown, if the bait is too tight to the rig, it swells, swallows half the ring and hinders movement
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Post by stone on Oct 26, 2008 16:56:07 GMT
Joss Id be interested to see if you compare hookholds if yours is better with the putty/shot on the break in braid coating or on the knot? Again I have found the rig more efficient with it in the middle of the break/supple braid..... to be fair mate, i do strip the mantis, but i took a series of piccys for a presentation i done. Im not a fan of split shot, as i spend most of my time fishing in snags these days. I agree with your out turned eyed approach on shot shanks, by the nailers seen to nailthem in the bottom lip everytime....
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Post by tallone on Oct 26, 2008 19:47:21 GMT
joss i use them hooks too puka if u ask me but usaly with this rig i will use 25lb dark mantis and then combi 15lb black amnisha, deadly try it
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Post by stone on Oct 26, 2008 20:04:49 GMT
joss i use them hooks too puka if u ask me but usaly with this rig i will use 25lb dark mantis and then combi 15lb black amnisha, deadly try it Ive been messing with leadcore on this principal. leadcore from the swivel to the first loop and then a stiff material from second loop to hook.....took me ages to perfect, and first cast, i chucked it into a fecking great bush and cracked me off......yes i did scream..."Ya Coooooooooooooooooooooont"
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Post by tallone on Oct 26, 2008 20:10:46 GMT
hahahahahaha do u used the old fox seires 5 or the carp are us long shanks
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Post by stone on Oct 26, 2008 20:36:53 GMT
hahahahahaha do u used the old fox seires 5 or the carp are us long shanks werent funnay ya cooornt....lol Carp r us ones bud
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Post by tallone on Oct 26, 2008 20:52:15 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D some lucky pidgeon is flying around with a nice carp r us lip pearcing lol
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wally
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Post by wally on Oct 27, 2008 16:24:38 GMT
When i work out how to post up pics, i will post my version up. Not a lot different, but i use utty and 25lb camfusion. i also use a small piece os tubing to really effect the kicker, and i tie my baits on. (old school you see) lol!
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Post by spencer on Oct 27, 2008 16:39:38 GMT
Old school eh, you aint that bloody old! Does anybody know if bevan tackle sell the spliced hairs that Micky K uses? They would be handy for BBBs(I know Im lazy) Ive looked at their website buts its pants
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spud
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Post by spud on Oct 28, 2008 19:33:35 GMT
Thanks guys , I'll tie one up and give it a try.
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Post by scott on Oct 31, 2008 12:58:44 GMT
Its a great rig the only problem i have found with it is that you have to put a piece of disolving foam through the loop on the shank during the cast or the loop tightens around the eye of the hook, losing the D effect.
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Post by spencer on Oct 31, 2008 15:28:12 GMT
Its a great rig the only problem i have found with it is that you have to put a piece of disolving foam through the loop on the shank during the cast or the loop tightens around the eye of the hook, losing the D effect. Have you tested that theory. It does on the retreave but Ive never had it on a cast and Ive tested that with 15lb mantis and size 5 wide gapes whacking it to the far margin. If you are really worried just lick a piece of foam and wrap it around but you dont need to
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Post by scott on Oct 31, 2008 17:25:08 GMT
i haven't tested to see if it happens on the cast or the retrieve but after every retrieve the loop has tightened around the eye and assumed that the force of the cast tightened it. putting foam through the loop has enabled me to wind it in looking almost as it should (some tightening). next time out i'll have a proper investigation.
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Post by spencer on Oct 31, 2008 20:58:32 GMT
Highbank onto car park swim, youll be pleasantly surprised
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Post by respin1228 on Nov 18, 2008 11:54:25 GMT
how exactly is the loop attached to the shank of the hook? im not new to fishing but never really used pop ups much, like the idea of the rig, im guessing on a take it slips back to the eye leaving the hook clean for a good hold?
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Post by spencer on Nov 18, 2008 15:17:03 GMT
how exactly is the loop attached to the shank of the hook? im not new to fishing but never really used pop ups much, like the idea of the rig, im guessing on a take it slips back to the eye leaving the hook clean for a good hold? Correct, on hooking it slips back. Easy to see if you are getting done
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Post by respin1228 on Nov 18, 2008 16:57:02 GMT
having tied one now i can see the benefits and will definately try it next time im out, has anyone had any success using bottom baits on it?
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Post by spencer on Nov 18, 2008 17:50:53 GMT
Yes with a hair made from empty lead core coating as per Mike Kavs articles in Carpworld sliding on the ring
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Post by tallone on Nov 18, 2008 18:36:01 GMT
spence can u put a photo on here and show that leadcore thinging magig
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Post by respin1228 on Nov 19, 2008 11:32:42 GMT
that would be usefull
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Post by flighty on Jan 3, 2009 0:23:05 GMT
The link below shows step by step photos of the "Multi rig" discussed above.The following was taken from www.carpcatchers.biz/carpcatchersblog/?cat=271It may help in seeing how its tied. I certainly found it helpful. However you will see that the bits used to make it a by different suppliers. I suppose its horses for courses really however having tied a few this week i can see the sense in using a hook with an upturned eye.
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 10:50:11 GMT
Wrong hook choice in that demo but good demo all the same. Id also advise using a gardner bait band instead od tying the bait on(just ask Dave Lane!) Hooks wise there is in my opinion nothing better than an ESP stiff rigger
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Post by stone on Jan 3, 2009 13:02:15 GMT
why the bait band and not tying the bait on?
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Post by ddapscarper on Jan 3, 2009 13:18:55 GMT
And another thing.... I prefer to use the bigger bait bands as shown, if the bait is too tight to the rig, it swells, swallows half the ring and hinders movement what size bands do u use then fella ? im playing around with this rig at the moment ;D
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Post by spencer on Jan 3, 2009 13:50:46 GMT
6.5m
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