kirby advice please

[flighty]

Just got back from two weeks pigeon shooting in the cotswolds & what a waste of time that was. So much rain they couldn't combine so no pigeon decoying. Can't win, no rain = few fish loads of pigeons loads of rain = more fish but no pigeons. Anyway enough moaning the daughter (hopefully) & I are doing an overnight session Wednesday/Thursday. Hows Kirby fishing anybody had much out. I am also taking Robins advice & taking the grandson to fish the banjo next weekend, should be fun watching him catch some little monsters. ;D

[rodders77]

the viaducts fishing the better of the 2 main lakes.a word of warning though,watch out for the new members,thay haven't got a bloody clue what they are doing.they are likely to cast all over you without hesitation.either this or they will fish all over your nicely prepared spots without even asking where abouts you're fishing.

you can usually spot them fishing REALLY close to their mates,consuming copius amount of alcoholic beverages

[flighty]

many thanks rodders, I will keep a look out for the young pi** heads. I'm just about in the right frame of mind to deal with them at the moment.
John

[garypoacher]

Rodders rather than moaning about the New members who enjoy themselves too much why dont you pop round and explain a few ground rules ? as for drinking whatever happened to enjoying ya hobby i suppose thats another rule on the horizon NO DRINKING

[blast1234]

Your right there mate, a small % of individuals may have spoilt it for the rest of us who enjoy a couple cans while we fish.

[flighty]

To be totally honest I wouldn't be bothered if the club banned booze as I no longer drink,. However with respect to those who wish to enjoy a few beers whilst fishing, then great, carry on enjoying a few cans. If however it is a problem caused by a small % of new members then we need some means of dealing with the small minority rather than penalise the genuine responsible majority. I have only just started doing over night sessions again but have to say that in the few years I have been part of DDAPS I have never been troubled by anglers drinking to much at Sutton or Kirby . However there were a couple of occasions last season when the loos at both Sutton & Kirby were trashed & perhaps, just perhaps these incidents were attributable too to much alcahol being consumed by one or two irresponsible members. Howerver I for one hate it when clubs introduce silly rules such as banning alcahol, heaven forbid. I would much rather see sensible use of our current rules to deal with problem members & rule changes used to sort out such things as leaders (minimum strength etc), plastic bags on unhooking mats etc. So there, thats my two penneth for what it's worth.

Talking of leaders have you seen that new Kryston Kraken. The stuff is almost unbreakable & indestructable. I fully appreciate it has been designed to use by those who fish boulder-strewn rivers, horrendous snag ridden still waters or anywhere where the tackle has to be man enough to extract the creatures we can only dream about. However how long will it be before we see some dikc head using it to catch carp. Somebody soon will think up some new fangled rig using it in place of lead core or something & we will start to see fish trailing line which they will never be able to shed. Sorry that really is it for now, but this stuff in the wrong hands/situation is why in my opinion the club needs to take a serious look at introducing a new rule regarding leaders. If people start using this stuff on DDAPS waters then I will start drinking again & I don't want to go there. ;D

[kentmark]

Leaders are not the problem, The thingy heads can just as easily tie a so called Death Rig without one, Baning leaders will not solve the problem, Random Rig checks are the only way!

About time some of our so called Bailifs done there jobs!! ( that does not include the good ones that do an excellent job) we all know you they are.

[garypoacher]

Robin surely it would be easier to deal with the so called ofenders as far as the BEER goes why should we all have to suffer or is this the NEW DICTATORSHIP taking over at the 1st chance

[chriss]

Rob has it been proposed that there is to be an alcohol ban ?
Bloody sad day that will be.There is a great social side to our waters and to lose that would be a choker.

[blast1234]

Gal, I would never be part of a dictatorship because I believe in freedom of speech. Pressure has been put on us by the amount of anglers contacting us with complaints about the behaviour at Sutton and Kirby. At the moment it's only a proposal, it has to be voted on by the membership at the AGM,

[blast1234]

Aug 10, 2010 20:27:53 GMT kentmark said:

Leaders are not the problem, The thingy heads can just as easily tie a so called Death Rig without one, Baning leaders will not solve the problem, Random Rig checks are the only way!

About time some of our so called Bailifs done there jobs!! ( that does not include the good ones that do an excellent job) we all know you they are.

Kentmark, I agree but you would be shocked if you could see some of the knots and rigs that we have removed. Unfortunatly not all people who go fishing are anglers

[kentmark]

I could belive it!!!!!!! Is it just me or do we seem to have alot of what i call Argos Angers on our waters at the moment, I assume this is due to a fairly large turnover of old/ new members?
A quick rig check on these new faces must be worth the hassle even if it stops just one person chucking out a bad rig!

[garypoacher]

Yeah and if any member is legless drunk or abusive give em a 3 month ban to get over it surely that would calm things down i feel sure that if the club imposed a ban on beer you would see a change in the club and not for the best as most of the people i know at sutton love the odd beer and social and that includes young and old members to make all these members go without because of a few idiots would be wrong decision in my mind,ban the guilty but dont punish the innocent

[jeffe]

I would go with that Gary. News of a couple of blokes being banned for being drunk would spread like wild fire. Must be worth a try before a blanket ban.

Over to the bailliffs. ;D

[garypoacher]

i think it makes sense mate i spend a fair bit of time on the lakes unlike Some of the committee members who seem too busy making up new rules,there are certain things i feel need to be looked at like that silly rope in the side snags its causing more trouble than its worth and then in the garden,brambles,pipe,front of the island you are expected to drag your fish through the pads to land them i cant see the sense ,you cant fish to the pads in the snags but you can drag them through pads in other swims ?i dont know who makes these decisions but they are a bit questionable i think

[kentmark]

I bet there is a few rigs hanging off the rope in the side snags already! I noticed there was a line going from the middle of the pads over the posts and heading off towards the swim in the garden the other day.

Come on line clips please ( or we will have to ban casting)

[blast1234]

For those of you who dont know, we have had a survey done at Kirby and the main result that has come to light is that both the two main lakes have very little natural life in them. That is why we need to have pads and weed in our lakes, so that the natural food like shrimps and snails have somewhere to seek sanctuary. There is unfortunatly an element of anglers who have no idea how to fish in weed or around pads, hence the reason we need to rope off areas to stop them fishing to places where they have very little chance of landing their catch. When fishing snags you need to be locked up tight and sitting on your rods, a fact that many ignore thats why we get so many fish trailing line or even worse being tethered.

[garypoacher]

i see where you are coming from Robin but that rope in the side snags is death trap waiting to happen i wouldnt mind betting there are already baited rigs hanging from it

[kentmark]

Does that mean that there will be weed and pads introduced to Kirby ?

I know it would be really unpopular with members but rather than ban leaders and with the concern over Death Rigs and teathered fish,have the comittee discussed a Barbless only rule instead? Robin

[blast1234]

Aug 12, 2010 19:18:10 GMT garypoacher said:

i see where you are coming from Robin but that rope in the side snags is death trap waiting to happen i wouldnt mind betting there are already baited rigs hanging from it

If there is Gal it proves my point, bad anglers or no clips on their spools. We have talked about removing all the pads in the side snags and putting a swim in by the barrier. " Please let me know your views "
Removing the pads with the use of an 8 tonne winch and a giant grab hook looks like our best option.

[blast1234]

Aug 12, 2010 21:40:56 GMT kentmark said:

Does that mean that there will be weed and pads introduced to Kirby ?

I know it would be really unpopular with members but rather than ban leaders and with the concern over Death Rigs and teathered fish,have the comittee discussed a Barbless only rule instead? Robin

Kentmark, the best lakes in the country all have pads and weed mate, maybe we would get some bigger fish then. I'm not in favour of barbless hooks in the larger sizes, 10 through to 2

[flighty]

This may seem a bit contravercial to some but I would personally love to see a nice lot of lillies introduced into all DDAPS lakes as I was brung up on fishing amongst them. Not too many but enough to provide a decent number of areas for the fish to feed & take cover under. We could use the ones Robin mentioned earlier to replant elsewhere. On a purely personal note I think it would be a great idea to dig them out. It could if planned correctly create "sections" within the lake thus providing areas for everybody to fish to a patch of lillies if they so wished & could also reduce the problem of other anglers fishing your water as there would be a patch of lillies positioned along the centre of the lake for example. Another reason is that I can think of very little to beat fishing a piece of floating crust off a few lillies. And the extra wildlife habitat they create is quite amazing. Lillies = shrimps & other under water insects = extra food = bigger fish= happier anglers ;D

[kentmark]

hey dont get me wrong i love the weed,

would not like to see the pads in the snags removed and adding a swim by the barrier would also wreck the garden!

[woody]

Me.. I love the overgrown look

but it can get out of control to the extent that it becomes a real problem... One of my favourite little waters but about 95% of it is unfishable for most of the year

If the club was to start planting out the lakes with pads / weed & IF it takes root it could soon expand & get out of control unless its well managed.. this may lead to more costs & work for the club . Then you could end up with more areas of the lake containing potential problems. Members will start whinging that the fish are holding up in these areas & then start to cast where they shouldn’t ... leading to more ropes/closed swims & all the problems that come with it.
It’s a great Club containing Anglers of all different levels of ability..Argos types included (everyone s got to start somewhere) & if we have a lot of fish that are trailing tackle then the barbless hook option may need to be looked at even if it only gives them a good chance of sheading the hook in the case of a miss hap.
Over the years I’ve caught a fair few from various Club waters that have been trailing tackle with barbed hooks still embedded but never one with a barbless hook still attahced
Rob, I know where you maybe coming from regarding barbless hooks.. but it seems to vary from water to water.. I suppose it’s a choice between the 2 evils. Rules can be changed either way quickly but a loss is permanent

Perhaps we should not be so big fish obsessed & be happy with what our club lakes contain

Gal, good call on the idea of a 3 month ban

:)Chaps, some good points raised by all

The two main lakes have very little natural life in them.. not alots changed then.. sometimes the answer to catching can be stairing you in the face .

[blast1234]

Woody and anyone else who is interested, you can now see why we/ (committee) are in a no win situation. We need to to have water plants to attract the micro organisms that are a fishes natural food source but we then need to control them before they create snag areas that our lesser experienced anglers can fish to. PLEASE, PLEASE help us educate these anglers by offering them advise on the rights and wrongs of how to do it. As I have said before, lock up that bait runner, sit on your rods or bait up away from the snag and pull the fish out.

[kentmark]

You will never please ALL of the angers ALL of the time.

[blast1234]

Take a look at ddasps.org and go to Kirby gallery an unknown 29 out of Westminster

[blast1234]

Kirby will be closed from 4pm Friday 15th April till 4pm Sunday 17th April due to contractors working to finish off the West lake

[jeffe]

How's Kirby fishing at the moment? Anybody know? Might be able to do 3 nights from Sunday. Or should I fish Sutton instead?

[rodders77]

had a walk down kirby yesterday after work and OMG !!!.just how many members does this club have now ??.
there were bivvys everywhere,hardly a swim to be had,people doubling up in ridiculous swims,fishing just for the sake of fishing,lines cris-crossing the water.i'd be surprised if anyone caught.weekends down there now resemble more of a camp site then a fishing venue.